Rivergang, looks like some one changed that quote or got their facts upside down. Thanks for pointing that out.
Here's a NASA link that says Artic ice reached a maximum record just 8 years ago. Looks like a lot of flux.
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Climate propaganda
by neat blue dog ingotta love jwdotorg as usual regurgitating the financially/politically motivated (and thoroughly disproved) climate change propaganda:.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/ruining-the-earth-bible-meaning-hope/.
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The Gospel Message By Age
by Sea Breeze inso, it really irks me that the wt is able to snow people so easily with their mt.
24: 14 "kingdom message" schtick.
of the 30+ times "gospel of ____ " is listed in the nt, only 4 times is it "gospel of the kingdom".
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Good point waton. As usual, they try to have it both ways.
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Did the ransom sacrifice even work?
by Sharpie inshower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
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@VH,
One of the main complaints about God is that he allows sin. Many erroneously conclude that there must not be a God, or at least one who cares. It is more accurate to say that God allows (even created) "Free Will".
The existence of sin or evil proves that free will is very real. But what to do about the consequences of sin?
1. Ignore it?
2. Punish it ?
3. Prevent it?
To ignore sin is to enable sin. God is not an enabler.
To prevent sin is to prevent Free Will. God loves freedom. "Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."
To punish sin is to promote containment of evil, and yet preserve/protect/promote freedom for the innocent.
Enter - Grace. Grace restores relationship through the instrumentality of substitution. It is the kryptonite for sin. Real relationships are two-way enterprises. In Grace, there is the one extending it and the one receiving it. Where sin breaks relationship, grace restores it.
If someone doesn't want Gods grace and vicarious payment of their sin, then they must pay for their sins themselves. It is simple to understand.Regarding the question on who the payment of sin is paid to, I think that all we have to do is look to our own courts. Prosecutors are said to represent "the people". Sentences are paid to the penal institution or the State, and not to the prosecutor himself.
Likewise, the payment for sin is paid to the community of created agents capable of morality. That's the way I see it.So are you saying that JWs believe the ransom does nothing for them and only for Adam?
They give a little lip service to the ransom sacrifice, but they ultimately believe that they will atone for their own sin when they die. So, the idea that Jesus is some sort of scapegoat for them personally isn't even on their radar. With WT lies, they are inoculated against seeing the need to receive Christ as their "kinsman redeemer", a man like us.
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The Gospel Message By Age
by Sea Breeze inso, it really irks me that the wt is able to snow people so easily with their mt.
24: 14 "kingdom message" schtick.
of the 30+ times "gospel of ____ " is listed in the nt, only 4 times is it "gospel of the kingdom".
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So, it really irks me that the WT is able to snow people so easily with their MT. 24: 14 "kingdom message" schtick. Of the 30+ times "Gospel of ____ " is listed in the NT, only 4 times is it "gospel of the kingdom". All the other times it's "gospel of Jesus", "gospel of your salvation", "gospel of grace"...etc.
The Christian ministry is about reconciliation with God, not the kingdom.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. - 2 Cor. 5The gospel (good news) will change into "the kingdom message" after the church age has ended. But it is still going on and hasn't ended in 1914 like the WT has been saying for over a hundred years.
I believe the kingdom message will be preached by literal male Jewish virgins, (144,000 of them) during the Great Tribulation after the church has been raptured.
This is also the view of about 2/3 of evangelicals. It explains why so many Christians never heard about this kingdom gospel when we went to their doors. They were used to hearing about the ministry of reconciliation and the gospel of grace, the good news of Jesus... which is the appropriate Christian message for the time period we are living in.Not only do JW's not preach the message of reconciliation that Jesus gave us, they claim that their redirection to the gospel of the kingdom is actually the voice of God. Wow! That just screams cult.
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Happy 4th !
We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.
May we never forget just how radical these words were in 1776.
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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!
by Simon ini know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.
it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.
plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.
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Erotic cringey convention drama
by neat blue dog incheck out this convention drama, starting at 21:38 ... david breaths and describes what he sees as bathsheba takes a bath 😅 then they get together and keep weirdly quoting song of solomon in a twisted way... and he keeps calling her sister and later on even "little sister" 😳 just wacko:.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-btbnfknidg&feature=youtu.be.
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I remember that convention. I was 10 years old. I think I remember the drama where bath sheba was bathing as well.
More OT instruction on how to try harder not to sin. The NT shows an easier way:
3 Do you not know that we who were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him by baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united with Him in the likeness of His death, so shall we also be united with Him in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man has been crucified with Him, so that the body [power]of sin might be destroyed, and we should no longer be slaves to sin. - Romans 6I wonder why they never did dramas on the supernatural victory over sin that a believer can have.
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Climate propaganda
by neat blue dog ingotta love jwdotorg as usual regurgitating the financially/politically motivated (and thoroughly disproved) climate change propaganda:.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/ruining-the-earth-bible-meaning-hope/.
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Arctic ice cap growing again
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CREDIT: NASA/Wikipedia/Public DomainArctic ice cap growing again
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Did the ransom sacrifice even work?
by Sharpie inshower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
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@WT Wizard,
You have brought up Noahide Law a number of times. I'm curious as to what you think that is and why you think it will enslave us?
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Did the ransom sacrifice even work?
by Sharpie inshower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.
as per doctrine.
is still alive in heaven right now correct?
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Just trying to think of what the witness doctrine would say to this?
WT would say that Jesus paid a debt for Adam.... not you or me. For the average JW, the WT would say that you now get to work for your salvation by doing good and adhering to all the rules of the WT. Pretty much the same as the Catholic Church.
But scripture says that "by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified". (Justification means - no debt). But what is even worse than that is that scripture also says if you try to work for your salvation, you are actually piling up even more debt that you must pay for on Judgement Day - after you die (Hebrews 9:27)
Rom_4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
For the joy that was set before him, Jesus paid a debt He didn’t owe because we owed a debt we couldn’t pay.
The moment when Jesus Christ was killed.. shouldn't life entered the world? But if Jesus Christ still exists, what good was the sacrifice? Shouldn't Jesus Christ be destroyed entirely for any sacrifice to take place?
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Believers get a new spirit when they are sealed. That new spirit cannot sin and thus is a down payment on the full redemption which will include the soul and the body.
When Jesus died as a righteous person, he had no debt. Thus he had a "right" to life. Since God is "a God of the living and not the dead", God freely gave him his rightful inheritance of life.
Believers are offered the same inheritance:
Jn. 1: 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God
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